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So this is a note that's going to take a more serious (and bitchy?) tone. The whole "Otakon-in-Review" journal will be full of my normal terrible wit and lame attempts at humor as I recall my Otakon, but I guess I wanted to make a journal for some of the undercurrent of what's been going on. Sort of a bit of some of my annoyances, and observations as of late. If that's not your cup of tea, cool beans by me, you can skip this entry and wait until the next one. Or, if you want to gripe/observe along with me, please, seriously, be my guest.

Before any of this begins, please note that I will be going through my shoots by the days that I shot them. We're part of the way through Friday now, so hang in there! If you want to check out stuff, I have a gallery up here titled "Otakon 2011", I also have previews up on my facebook page: facebook.com/mindfallmedia

If you worked with me, you will be receiving a link to a MobileMe gallery that will have edited, full sized pictures available for you to download. When the final edits are complete, I will also put all of the Otakon pictures into one gallery, so they can be viewed all at once versus picking through a DA or Facebook page. No worries!

Now then! To the observations and what not!

To begin, some notes on photography. To be honest (and at 4:30am, you're gonna get me being brutally honest because I have no filter), I went to Otakon with a serious something to prove. There is kind of an ongoing debate in some circles over whether or not cosplay photographers should be charging. Overall, I really don't care one way or the other. I, personally, like compensation in non-traditional format. I don't view it as reasonable that a cosplayer pay me money to take pictures of them. If they want to buy me food, or drinks, or a subscription to DA or something, then great! Awesome!

But I cannot justify placing a dollar amount per hour or half hour to my photoshoots. It's not like my equipment costs me the same way a cosplayer's costume does EVERY TIME. And, on top of that, beyond giving the cosplayer their photos, and using them in certain places, it's not like I can DO anything with that image. It's a copyrighted character from a copyrighted show. So, it's actually a very rare instances can I actually sell my work to any place. On top of that, while cosplay does look very cool, it's not all that useful, beyond a few of my absolute BEST shots, in a portfolio. It's not yet taken all that seriously by those photographers that don't do it. I speak from personal experience because I applied to multiple photo studios and videographers in my area when I got back from school a year ago.

Now that you've heard my long rambling, maybe it's time I introduce WHY I even got on this topic on this first place. Now, take this with a grain of salt that anything said on cosplay.com should not be taken seriously. At least, I don't take it seriously. That being said, a few threads popped up on there with this debate occurring. And one of the things that people charging what I view as rather expensive fees seemed to imply or come right out and say was that their work was "unique" and "special", and that cosplayers could "settle for free photography that is mediocre", or pay them for something "worth their time". I gotta be honest, I take serious offense to that, and wonder why these jackasses even bother with cosplay photography at all. For me, IT'S ALL ABOUT RESPECT. I don't care if you charge or you don't charge, in this hobby/profession/whatever, your service is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. But I also feel that regardless of where you stand on the issue, you don't have the right to trash someone else to promote yourself. So yeah, I went to Otakon, produced some of my best work ever FOR FREE, and walked away being able to dust my shoulders off.

Like I said previously, I don't mind photogs who charge money. Most of my good friends in this hobby do just that. I guess it's more of a respect thing? I dunno. 'Nuff said I guess, though I'd love to hear comments.

Oh, and another thing. When it comes to photography and conventions, people need to learn some fucking etiquette. Now, obviously, there's the whole PLEASE ASK MYSELF AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE COSPLAYER FOR PHOTOS DURING A SHOOT. Seriously, people, it's PRETTY easy to tell when we're doing more than taking a couple of shots. And I'm a really nice guy, I like to think. I will absolutely let you take some photos, provided the cosplayer acquiesces. But just running up to take pictures without a fucking word is just rude. The cosplayer takes all this time and puts all this effort into making a costume, getting into the right makeup, and getting into character, it would be nice if they could present their best side for a photo, not just some random sniper shot. Seriously. Plus, I get REALLY sick of rude assholes ruining a shot because they choose to ignore my presence. I'm not a small person, it's very hard to miss me.

Another thing that comes to my mind, because this happened to me MULTIPLE times at Otakon. If I'm not working with you, and/or don't know you, then Fuck Off when it comes to telling me about a room, or its lighting, or how to operate my equipment. IT'S MY EQUIPMENT. I PROMISE THAT I KNOW HOW TO USE IT. OR, I CAN FIGURE IT OUT. Seriously. It's one thing if I'm working with a fellow photog or cosplayer, and they're telling me what we're going for/what will look best. I do it all the time. But at Otakon, I had random schmucks come up to me while I'm working with a cosplayer/s and proceed to tell me what would best work for a shot. HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO WITH MY SHOT? AT ALL?! I don't care if you work for a photo studio (one particular jackass), or whatever, I don't want your advice. At all. You don't see me going around telling other people what to shoot. Even with people I know, I usually wait until I'm asked before giving input. UGH. I apologize for the profanity, but seriously, things like that make me go :( face.

I cooooould do all the typical griping about how I don't really attend convention functions anymore unless I'm there to support friends (and even then, you won't see me anywhere near a masquerade most times). I prefer hanging out with people, photo shoots and drinking. I could bitch about how annoying the younger generation that's starting to attend is, but honestly, most of my venting is done, and all that other typical whining and crying is booooooring.

SO, ladies and gents. I want to hear YOUR thoughts. I want to know what YOU think. Am I being a whiny little bitch? Have you had experiences similar to mine? Care to share? LET'S DISCUSS!!!!


As always, until next time:

...see you space cowboys...

~Corey
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R-Legend Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
As far as random people interrupting photoshoots, I don't mind as long as they make it quick. "One shot and gone" usually doesn't ruin what I have planned. As long as they don't try to talk my ear off or distract me for a long period of time. And I'm not opposed random sniper shots, my only condition is I BETTER be able to see it afterward in person or on the Internet, because I like to see how I look from all angles. Will the random pic get any more special attention than the photoshoot pics? Probably not, unless its exceptionally good.

Charging or no charging makes no difference to me. It's all about who's available when I'm available. Some people I know charge because they're in school/need the money/do it for a living/whatever. That's understandable. Others don't charge because do it for fun or simply because they can. That's fine too. For me, it's all about the end result, and I alone am the judge, jury, and executioner of what works and what doesn't.
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dust-bunny Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Personally I spend a lot of time and effort on my costumes and adding an extra $30 on top of my costs to get a great set of photos I can keep, use on my website, have published in magazines or news articles or whatever is worth it to me.

I get free photos all the time that get posted to facebook and twitter and whatever but they aren't always the best quality and half the time I look like derp (for whatever reason), and if it takes $30 insurance that my photos will turn out useable and pleasing then that's a $30 that I am willing to invest.

I know a lot of people feel differently, but personally I will never think less of a photographer that asks a reasonable amount for a photoshoot. Heck beauty shots in a studio cost almost $200 an hour.... at least $30 is affordable.
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree. And I think that if you have a photographer/s who's charging $30 for work that you know is going to be great, then you should absolutely go with that. Honestly, I'm planning on doing some actual cosplay in the near future, and I know that I'm more than willing to invest in paid work if it means getting work that I will like.

Personally, when it comes to my work, as I said in my original entry, I just cannot justify charging. I've come a loooooong way since my photography beginnings in 2007-2008, but I know there's so much more I have to learn, haha. I think the other thing that keeps me from asking for money is that, honestly, to me, this is a hobby. I like to take it somewhat seriously and produce the best work I possibly can, but at the end of the day, this is not what pays the bills (though, admittedly, it would be cool if it did).

Again, I've got nothing against photographers who charge. I know tons of cosplay photogs who I would gladly pay to take photos, for me it boils down to respect. There is so much talent out there from both the cosplayers and the cosplay photographers, and I just feel that if someone feels the need to belittle the rest of the field in order to get noticed, then, in my book, that is highly uncool.
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WashuuOtaku Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
As one of those people that sometimes snipes the shot, I'm sorry! I probably did do that to you, though I'm typically good at asking and/or waiting... unless your Eurobeat King.

As for giving advice on how to use your equipment... NEVER!!!

As for paying for services rendered, it's a free market and I'm fine with others charging for there time. I don't do it simply because I treat photography as a hobby which I'm always learning from and don't sell myself as an amazing photographer or anything. Also, I rarely ever do any post-production work, so my pictures being "as is" typically isn't worth charging money over. ^^;
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
lol, I most markedly am not EBK. As for sniping shots, don't be sorry, just ask the cosplayer for permission in the future, haha. This way, you're guaranteed to get a good pose and someone looking right where you want them to.
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skwinkography Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
WHUPS. Apparently I'm so opinionated I made a journal to respond since this would've been a forever comment, and that's just rude.

On people who snipe shots or interrupt private shoots, I feel kinda ambivalent about them. I use a trigger flash, so I never really feel that people are "stealing" my lighting or shot, and every time someone who has done this that I remember had a point-and-shoot. It might be over assumptuous of me, but I usually assume this is just a casual con goer, and they just want a picture that they'll keep locally on their computer and it won't go anywhere else. They aren't asking to use my camera, and I don't think they'll end up with the same shot as me.

Whenever this happens I always put down my camera and stop to let this person know that yes, you've interrupted something I'm doing with this cosplayer. At the same time, I still smile and ask if I can help them (if they didn't ask for a picture first) and I always tell them they may take a picture if the cosplayer is okay with it. I'm not going to move from my spot, so they're not going to get my shot, so I'm not losing anything. If the cosplayer doesn't mind this either, I really could care less.

I only wish that if people were uncomfortable with this, they say no. Everyone's allowed. :T
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
lol, I responded to your journal and stuffffffffff. But I'm pretty sure you already saw that ;)

Honestly, I'm not so upset because I think people are going to "steal my shot". That doesn't concern me nearly as much, mainly because I'm fairly confident in my end product, and thus, no worries :D I think it more so concerns me about sniping, or just walking up and snapping away because it can break up the flow of a photoshoot if you have to wait for two or three people who didn't ask to sit there and grab pics until they're "satisfied". Plus, as someone said early in one of the responses, it's respectful to ask the cosplayer and allow them to compose themselves so they can present their best side.

But yar, it looks like we are very much on the same page here, lol.
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Kamokuu Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011
Well in regards to the whole charging for photos and such, I guess people could justify charging if it were actually costing them something more than their time, given the fact that, if they're going to cosplay conventions not cosplaying and bringing all the equipment to take pictures with, chances are, they're there to photograph cosplayers because they too enjoy it, otherwise they'd figure out something else to do with their time, therefore, paying a photographer at a convention thats going there anyways for a digital image (not an actual print mind you) is a bit silly. Its their choice to be there, they're either there for fun, or there to try and capitalize on the whole deal, but, unless you're SO in demand that you're going to conventions just based on the number of requests that are being made by NON-friends, than yes, I suppose you could charge a fee. Another problem with paying a photographer (as well as a photographer whose basically mass producing cosplay pictures at cons for profit and NOT enjoyment) is, they take your pictures, leave, and you risk not getting the pictures, not getting good pictures, or getting okay, but, extremely generic pictures.

As for the interrupting shoots and stuff...I can not express in words how much I absolutely HATE walk-bys. I HATE HATE HATE people who just snap a random ass picture of me without 1) my consent or 2) giving me time to look presentable. I've had people just snap pictures of me while i'm eating, THATS gonna look really nice when it inevitably shows up online.
I also agree with your anger about people telling you how to do things. I cant tell you how mad it makes me when I get the random ass basement dwellers coming up to me trying to debate with me a part of my costume, or a pose, or stance, or prop or concept that they dont agree with. I do not CARE what your opinion of TP verses OoT or a link to the past is. I also do not care if you think my buster sword isn't the exact right height, or if you believe that Cloud would never leave the house wearing white socks. I dont need you to tell me how Link uses a bomb, I understand the concept of how he uses it, but get this, ITS NOT A REAL BOMB, AND ITS NEVER GOING TO BE NO MATTER HOW YOU "USE" IT! SO GROW THE HELL UP!
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
lol, looks like someone has had more than a few experiences with idiotic fanboys. I find the biggest thing to remember when dealing with any "fan" at a convention is that you have to remember, for as many cool people as there are going to convention, you also have tons of people drawn there by the event/spectacle. People that, in everyday situations, are socially awkward/uncomfortable. I suspect that is why you encounter what you do when you do, but I do not know for sure, haha.

As for everything else, you're spot on. I could go on and on, but my thoughts have been pretty well established, I think, both in my journal, as well as my responses to those who replied in this journal ;) It is important to have a wide spread network of people that you work with, but there's tons of factors that come into it that we could debate for hours and hours ;)
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Kamokuu Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011
Haha, I know, I try to be understanding about the socially awkward thing when i'm at conventions, I mean, a large percentage of people attending are the types that Otakon is one of the few times they leave the house for longer than a few hours during the course of a year but some people I could just slap senseless, like the jerks that think its funny to grab my props up and end up breaking them, or the trolls that just waste your time trying to get you to argue with them about non-sense. Grrr. May need a few more anger management courses after this past Otakon. XD

Indeed, theres many levels to the argument of "to charge, or not to charge!" but in the end its entirely up to the individual.
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Leonie-Heartilly Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I have had both free and paid photo shoots, it depends who I know is going to the con and what costume I'm wearing. I like to have decent photos of all my costumes so I'm happy to pay a certain amount to make sure I get them, as what's the point of making the costume if I don't have photo evidence? People stopping you to take a pic on their phone just isn't the same... Saying that I have friends who have never charged and take some gorgeous shots! As long as they have a DSLR and have a good idea how to use it then I tend to be happy with all my shoots.

As for other 'togs butting in when you're working and being critical, well that's just not on and you have a right to be angry. If you ask for feedback on your photos fair enough but to pester you when you're busy with the cosplayer is just damn rude.

And with other photographers jumping in on private shoots that can be annoying too. If it's in a crowded place you kinda have to let it go but when you're in a space and clearly having a private shoot then they should ask first or respect your space. One of my friends got annoyed when she was trying to photograph me and others were hovering over her shoulder, it distracts the cosplayer also as they don't know who to focus on without being rude.
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Yeah, normally, when it comes to photographers jumping in, as you said, there really isn't too much that can be done unless is a private shoot in a private space. That being said, I still make my presence known because I find that I don't want them hovering without at least going through the formality of asking the cosplayer for permission. Personally, I'm just the photographer, I already asked permission and the cosplayer acquiesced. It's the cosplayer who's image is being used, lol.
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Rikativity Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm so sorry to hear you had these irritating experiences at Otakon. Also sorry I couldn't be there to take more pics with you (Schoolgirl Matsumoto has yet to get a photoshoot!).

A cosplayer pays money for their costume and the con experience. A photographer pays money for their camera equipment and the con experience. So if both parties put a monetary investment into the work, why should one party feel entitled to compensation?
If the photographer is offering prints of their work, then by all means, they can charge for them. But it's also not as if the photographer is giving away his/her work like an original art piece they'll never see again. Both parties still have copies, so the photographer isn't losing anything.
As far as the effort and work involved, again, both parties share it nearly equally. Props are heavy, poses are tiring, and costumes can be itchy. It's not a walk in the park to look this good! Also, cameras are heavy, lighting calculations are taxing, settings and angles take time. So again, effort is shared to create a good work.

tl;dr : The cosplayer should be viewed as a collaborator in creating art, not a client.

That being said, if I befriend a photographer (like you, Corey), I'm totally willing to hang out and maybe buy you a drink. ;)
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Haha, it's appreciated. And seriously, lady, we've definitely got to get together and do another shoot! It must be done!

I think you make a strong point about collaborative effort. This hobby (or, I guess profession to some?) definitely requires teamwork, and again, collaboration. Still, some parties are going to feel entitled to compensation, be it ego, need for money, etc etc, and if they're good enough/if someone is willing to pay, they will continue to charge those prices for a service.

And hey, I might just have to hold you to that maybe ;)
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cupcake-rufflebutt Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
For me, the "paid vs. free photoshoots" debate is secondary. If I want photos of a certain character, I'm going to ask the best photographer for the job, regardless of whether their work is free or $30/hr. Every photographer I know has their own unique style or specialty. If I want action shots, I know who to go to. If I want goofy, light-hearted stuff, I know who to go to. If I want night shots, I know who to go to. If I want elegant, well-posed, artbook-style imagery, I know who to go to. If I want headshots or portraits, I know who to go to. If I'm having particular trouble getting flattering images of a costume and need someone who can find that perfect angle to make me look like a supermodel, I know who to go to. I could go on, but I'm sure I've made my point. If I want a certain photographer, I'll pay whatever fee they charge in order to shoot with them. And if they work for free, well, that's awesome! XD

But I do have to say, the main reason why a number of cosplayers work exclusively with certain paid photogs is because they guarantee their work within a week or so of the convention. These guys churn out heavily-edited, framed and watermarked images so fast, you know it's all they do the entire week following the convention. The guarantee of receiving high-quality images within a week of the convention is a big perk, and I typically will not shell out money for a photoshoot unless a similar guarantee is made. I, personally, do not mind waiting a reasonable amount of time to receive images from a free photoshoot. It's when 6+ months go by and I haven't seen a single image (or I've received one mediocre photo with promise of more) that I really start to wonder why I wasted my time.
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I honestly like this approach when it comes to going for the best photographer for the job, haha. I think that, as you network in anything, knowing your resources/who's best at what is always a good thing. I'd be curious to know where I rank among that :P

As for cosplayers who work exclusively with paid photogs, that's all fine and dandy by me, like I said, I'm not opposed to photographers getting paid. I think it's great if they can. Personally, I cannot justify it, but that's just me :P I only wish I had the time to churn out my photos like some of these guys and girls do, haha. Alas, work.
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BalthierFlare Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Student Artisan Crafter
Being in the cosplay photography and cosplay scene, I completely understand both sides of this. And I agree with it all.

Charging is up to the photographer, but I think it should also have something to do with your skill level, professionalism, and ability to deliver the images wanted.
As for people interrupting to offer "advice," that's just rude. When you're conducting a photoshoot, it is YOUR photoshoot. You are the photographer in charge, not any bystander who thinks they are awesome.
And photographers not asking for photos, it irritates me so much on both sides! As a cosplayer, I find lots of stupid looking pictures of me, where my costume is messed up in some weird place or my face just looks weird. I don't appreciate those kind of photos. I just feel like a derp.
As for photographers not asking for photos during a photoshoot, oh, it irks me to no end!!! We're doing a PRIVATE photoshoot, we're setting up the shot, we're setting up the lighting, it is our intellectual property. The most irritating thing is when you have the flash perfect and some other person comes up and their flash goes off and unbalances everything! Maybe people don't realize it, but lighting is very fickle.

I don't think you're being whiny, I think people need to realize that what they are doing is annoying.
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
It's very true that charging is totally up to what you described. I also still feel that I'm a novice in a lot of areas when it comes to my work, but I'm constantly improving. My journal really chronicles why I don't charge though, between the fact that I cannot justify it, plus I want to keep this as a hobby. Which is why, if someone wants to buy me something, COOL! But just a straight up paid exchange of money for services then turns this into a job for me, and that's no fun.

As for photogs being rude and what not, honestly, I expect some interruptions during a shoot if it's in an even semi-public place. I just would hope people would know enough to not run their mouths, but rather, just take their pictures AFTER ASKING THE COSPLAYER IF IT'S OKAY :P Because, I did ask the cosplayer, it's usually just months prior while arranging for shoots XD
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BalthierFlare Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Student Artisan Crafter
Yeah! I get that. I think a lot of photographers charge to cover their badge cost. but it is completely up to the photographer, and either way it depends on what they're comfortable with. I'm still amazed that some pro photographers don't charge.

YES! After asking is fine! The whole experience we had, we were in a private photoshoot, setting up the flash and peoples flashes kept going off and ruining the pics so we asked them to wait. No one listened. It was rude, but yeah, what can we expect? Yes of course you asked XDDD
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TifaIA Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
The paying vs. not paying for shoots is tricky. I've done paid shoots and freebes. It really comes down to the photographer and what they stand for. If I know I'm going to get a great result above and beyond my expectations by paying for a photographer, then I'm willing to put the money into it. But I also do my research. I check out their past work. I want to know that I'm getting my money's worth before I invest.

At the same time I've had some amazing photos taken by others that were completely free. In a way though, I'm kind of paying for the free shoot by promoting the photographer. lol Every time I upload a picture here, or cosom, or FaceBook, I always link to the photographer. Free advertising! I have had some great experiences with free photographers and have grown my network that getting me to pay would take a good amount of convincing. All in all, it comes down the to the photog; what do they stand for, what is their work is like, etc.

I also don't buy into the "quality" argument. Paying for something doesn't mean it's better. I've had the pleasure of meeting some great photographers who do some amazing work without charging. I have a lot of respect for them because of it. I've read a few times on coscom some people saying "well it's because I have a better camera" or something along those lines. I don't buy that either. I may not have a DSLR (ended up with a real lemon and now waiting until I can afford a new one) but I make do with my point and shoot. I know how to work my camera to the best of its ability and have taken some pretty cool shots with it. It might not be up to par with a DSLR, but how you use a product is more important then the price tag.

As for the rude photogs...wtf? Seriously? That's just wrong. I have a good amount of knowledge about film cameras and dabble a bit with photography, but I would never tell the person behind the equipment on what f stop to use, or what lighting would work. It's their equipment! lol They should know how to use it, or they'll figure it out on their own. But to go up to someone like you and start telling you how to use your camera, that's just all sorts of inappropriate.

I've also noticed this year that there have been more photo-jumpers for private shoots. It happened to me a few times throughout this year, unless we were completely out of the public eye. Even one where I was posing for a costume contest and the staff needed my photo for my entry form. Someone walking by took a crappy picture of me while I was taking my helmet off. :/ At least ask first! lol You might not care the outcome, but you are ignoring the fact that I'm a human. I'm sure if animals could talk, they would not want pictures of themselves in the zoo with their butts to the camera being posted online. Cosplayers are the same way.

You're not being "bitchy" in any way. Just venting some frustrations that a number of us would agree with. There's nothing wrong with that. ^^
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm a huuuuuuuge proponent of research. If you're not doing research, you're not doing something right when it comes to spending money. You should at least know the basics of what you're paying for, lol. ESPECIALLY when it comes to something that is as subjective as photography.

As for rude photogs/photo jumpers, eh, it happens at every con, I just wish people would learn a touch more respect. It might make things easier all around.
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Blackout-Resonance Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011
In terms of paying for shoots, at a con I don't like the idea. The cosplayer's already paid to make their costume, gas, hotel room, and for their con pass, they shouldn't have to pay for having their picture taken too. If they want to pay then they can, but I personally wouldn't. I'm in school from August till May, and work part time at Gamestop. Hours get cut a lot and thus I don't get $250+ every paycheck (I wish!). So if I'm going to have a shoot done, I'm going to go towards the free option, or the cheaper of the two. I love cosplaying and while it's great to have someone come up at a con and say "I saw your cosplay on DA!", I'm not going to pay for that exposure. I'll get there the free way, even if it does take longer.

I agree with the part about people interrupting your shoot. A lot of the younger con-attending crowd is getting irksome and like you, I don't usually attend masquerades.
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Mmm, I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm fortunate in that I've landed a job that affords the opportunity to pay my bills and leave some stuff left over for doing what I want, but at the end of the day, when it comes to cons and how expensive everything is getting, I cannot blame you one bit for wanting to go the free route.

And yeah, kids these days at cons, lol. I just, ugh, I can't stand how immature some people act. It's like they're never let out of the house so they have to get all their kawaii desus out in a public format.
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Blackout-Resonance Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011
When you see how they act it's not surprising.
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koi-ishly Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I've had free and paid photoshoots. I've gotten good and bad results from both. It kinda stings that I'm paying for a shoot after all my hard work, but at the same time I'm also paying for their "quality". The "quality" argument is invalid for me. I'd rather someone be truthful about why they want to charge, not because they offer something more than other photographers. So, sometimes it was worth it and others it wasn't. Personally, I don't think I will be looking for another paid photoshoot.

I think it really does have to do with the philosophy of the cosplayer and what they are willing to do with their cosplay. While I have nothing against those that want to pay, at the same time I really am looking into what I'm getting out of it. Photoshoots for me are a lot of fun, I've become such a camera whore. In real life it's like I repel cameras. In the beginning it was about me getting exposure and getting photo's. That's where I think most cosplayers mentality lies. Not going to lie, I still really like the exposure but it was during this years Otakon my mentality of it has changed. I'm really not interested in the exposure any more... The past cospaly for me was about a wow factor, and I feel I lost what I really enjoyed about cosplaying. I won't stop scheduling photoshoots, but my game plan has changed a lot since I've started.

As for other photographers coming in an interrupting your photoshoot? I've had that happen numerous times. It was really bad at Katsucon this past year. Not so much at Otakon, we had a few interruptions but it was more from families wanting pictures with us. Our photographer was nice enough to let them in and take pictures and we went on our marry way. I think if anything friends of the cosplayers and photographers could help in that situation (if you have them available). The thing that I find about those the interrupt, I rarely see the result of the interruption.

Conventions are not all fun and games when you get older. The teenaged con charm has been lost for a while for me. I'm finding that I've had to really evaluate what I'm expecting now at a convention. As for your serious topic, it has merit with in the community, whether your opinion is favored or disliked. Just keep doing what your doing =)
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree on a number of points. And honestly, the one time I'm happy about interruptions is when a family wants to come by and take pictures. I'm more than willing to pass out my card and take pictures. Sadly, I've done this 4-5 times at cons, no family has contacted me yet about receiving pictures that I've taken of their kids and said cosplayer.

As far as cons, my priorities have definitely changed. As I said prior, I don't really go to conventions for their events anymore. I go to see friends, take photos, hang out with people/drink with people, and other fun stuff. I find that between the massive amounts of idiotic younger kids and the fact that the con staff these days are so full of themselves, I often times won't set foot in a panel unless I have friends running it.

I appreciate the overall vote of confidence, and will keep on keeping on. You do the same!
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koumori-no-hime Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011
I'm not at all familiar with the photography scene, but I think your argument is valid. As for a cosplayer's view on paying for shoots, let's face it, I'm cheap. I am most months of the year in school and don't have a ton of money left over for my cosplaying hobby. Even with chronic coupon-cutting and sale-finding, the price of making costumes adds up. Then you top it off with the cost of convention-going (food, transportation, hotel, badge) which can be a sizeable chunk as well. I am perfectly fine with photographers charging, a lot of work goes into the equipment and editing process, especially if they need the money for school of something like that (sorry, student mentality) and I would be willing to support that. However, if given the option, I am more likely to ask to work with a photographer that doesn't charge. I haven't done a paid shoot yet, but I feel that an unpaid one would probably be more relaxed. As for charging making someone "better quality" than another, that is completely silly. In my humble non-photography educated opinion, I would assume that it is the quality of the photos themselves and the photographer's attitude that sets them apart.

(Also, I absolutely love the preview pic of Ada you posted, and can't wait to see the rest when my turn in the lineup comes)
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree with your last sentence there. Better equipment or charging professional rates does not a photographer make. It comes down to talent, luck, and skill with what equipment you do have. And not to fear, I know a lot of photographers charge, but there will always be free photographers at cons, it's just how this hobby works, lol.

The rest of your pictures should be up shortly, glad you liked the first one!
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BladeAlchemist Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Really? Someone tried to preach to you about how to do your work? WOW....did you kill 'em? Or at least cause brief hospitalization? You had better be glad it wasn't during MY shoot. I would not have been as graceful as I'm sure you were.

Are you being bitchy? Whiny? Absolutely not. You are there to do your thing, like every other person at the convention is. If anyone tries to tell you otherwise, they are imposing on your freedom of choice.

You're a badass. That is all.
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Nope, no killing or maiming occurred. I smiled, nodded, and then proceeded to completely ignore them. My time spent at my current job has done wonders for my temperament. Besides, I can just bottle it up then vent on the internet and act like a tough guy!

I appreciate the compliments AND THE PREMIUM ACCOUNT, and please realize that this means war ;) But in all seriousness, thank you for your friendship and support.
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BladeAlchemist Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
You can make all the declarations of war you want. XD You are most welcome. If anyone can get the most out of it, you can.

Just so you know, I would have paid good money to see you spin 'round and give 'em a good one-two. :)
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TheBigTog Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011   Photographer
Personally, I don't care if photogs charge for shoots or if cosplayers are willing to pay for shoots but amen to the part about etiquette.

As for rude photographers, I don't mind the ones who have the consumer level cameras or phone cameras so much but it still bugs me a little. It's the ones with the huge and expensive 70-200mm lenses and $3000 camera bodies that irk me the most. Just watching them leech off my photographer and cosplay pals while they do their shoot at Otakon was a bit upsetting because they do almost zero work in setting up any of the shots. The audacity! XD
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MindFall Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Tell me about it! I hate that mentality that some people get that because they have the most expensive equipment, that makes their stuff SO MUCH BETTER. It's crap, it really is, lol. I have a Nikon D3000 and a couple of lenses and I think the work I produce is solid. Now, I'm looking at buying a new lens or two, as well as a good flash, but that's not gonna make me go "I AM SUPERIOR, BOW BEFORE ME" XD.

Speaking of cons, we've yet to meet in person, good sir! We must fix this in the future!
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